I understand that we have to do our part but we must do it by faith. Good point about faith without works is dead. But I believe we have to many Christians trying to work themselves to heaven instead of living by faith.

Good discussion and keep up the good work.

God Bless,

Kern

God helps all of us… Not just those who can do nothing. He helped Caleb take the mountain with the giants living on it. He helped David and Jonathon and on and on and on…

My point was that God expects us to do our part… Faith without works is dead, etc.

Blessings,

Michael

We do have the responsibility to continue to move forward, pray, seek God’s wisdom walk in the spirit each day. But even doing all that, God sometimes does not bless us here on this earth but we will receive our rewards in heaven. Which is more important.

Well said, I had in fact been thinking about that distinction. We could not save ourselves, yet we have to respond. Although there is that Scripture in Acts where Peter says to the crowd, “save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” I guess it points to the need, as you say, to look at the whole counsel of God. We could never be righteous in and of ourselves, so Jesus fulfilled that righteousness for. In that sense, it does fit, as it says “you see, at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. As since one died, all died.” It’s sort of splitting hairs, and I think what happens though is that we play to much in the arena that there is nothing we can do to help/save ourselves, in that Christ had to do it. However, once done, we do have a responsibility to move forward. “Work out your own salvation with trembling and fear.” I think Michael’s point is that we must take responsibility where God has given it to us. He will do His part always, we must do our part, and when the two meet, watch out!!