Comments on: Sons in the Marketplace – No More Pie in the Sky http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/ Michael Pink Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:10:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Lorisa http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7916 Lorisa Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:23:42 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7916 That's very kind of you, Kern. It was never meant mean spirited. That’s very kind of you, Kern. It was never meant mean spirited.

]]> By: Kern http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7913 Kern Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:03:24 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7913 Forgiven. But I did not take it as mean spirited. I think it is great that Christians can discuss things and not get personal. Iron sharpens Iron. Forgiven. But I did not take it as mean spirited. I think it is great that Christians can discuss things and not get personal. Iron sharpens Iron.

]]> By: Lorisa http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7912 Lorisa Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:51:45 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7912 I concur with all of what you said, Kern. I responded in haste to what I perceived as a chastisement of my first post. Please forgive me. I concur with all of what you said, Kern. I responded in haste to what I perceived as a chastisement of my first post. Please forgive me.

]]> By: Kern http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7911 Kern Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:42:55 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7911 Lorisa, And I am just saying that it is not God's plan for some to have wealth. Some will live in poverty until they get to heaven. Yes, it is Biblical ok to have wealth for some b ut not everyone and we must not pursue it. We must be content. We must set a standard of living and live on it and when surpluses come, we must ask God who He wants us to give it to. Lorisa,

And I am just saying that it is not God’s plan for some to have wealth. Some will live in poverty until they get to heaven. Yes, it is Biblical ok to have wealth for some b ut not everyone and we must not pursue it. We must be content. We must set a standard of living and live on it and when surpluses come, we must ask God who He wants us to give it to.

]]> By: Lorisa http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7878 Lorisa Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:48:26 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7878 Kern, I'm not sure I understand. I never said everyone would have wealth. I was simply pointing out that it's Biblicly okay to have wealth if it's stewarded correctly. Kern,

I’m not sure I understand. I never said everyone would have wealth. I was simply pointing out that it’s Biblicly okay to have wealth if it’s stewarded correctly.

]]> By: Kern http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7877 Kern Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:40:44 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7877 Not everyone will have wealth Lorisa, not everyone. But we are all called to suffering. Not everyone will have wealth Lorisa, not everyone. But we are all called to suffering.

]]> By: Lorisa http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7874 Lorisa Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:07:07 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7874 What about the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25? That not only demonstrates we can have wealth, but that we should steward it wisely and multiply it. What about the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25? That not only demonstrates we can have wealth, but that we should steward it wisely and multiply it.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7795 Dennis Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:10:25 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7795 My typing leaves something to be desired. In the last sentence, after "James" and before "about" should be the word "talks". The good works James talks about . Dennis My typing leaves something to be desired. In the last sentence, after “James” and before “about” should be the word “talks”. The good works James talks about .

Dennis

]]> By: Dennis http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7794 Dennis Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:07:37 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7794 I found this Scripture also today in Job, verses 24-28 "If I have put my trust in gold or said to pure gold, 'You are my security,' if I have rejoiced over my great wealth, the fortune my hands have gained, if I have regarded the sun in its radiance or the moon moving in splendor, so that my heart was secretly enticed and my hand offered them in a kiss of homage, then these also would be sins to be judged, for I would have been unfaithful to God on high." Job had great wealth and indicated he had gained a fortune by his work. Elsewhere in the chapter he talks about caring for the widow, the fatherless, those needing clothing, etc. He both had great wealth and he shared great wealth. This shows one can have a clean heart, evidenced by the good works James about, and have great wealth at the same time, gained by the works of one's hand (and ultimately from God.) Blessings, Dennis I found this Scripture also today in Job, verses 24-28

“If I have put my trust in gold or said to pure gold, ‘You are my security,’ if I have rejoiced over my great wealth, the fortune my hands have gained, if I have regarded the sun in its radiance or the moon moving in splendor, so that my heart was secretly enticed and my hand offered them in a kiss of homage, then these also would be sins to be judged, for I would have been unfaithful to God on high.”

Job had great wealth and indicated he had gained a fortune by his work. Elsewhere in the chapter he talks about caring for the widow, the fatherless, those needing clothing, etc. He both had great wealth and he shared great wealth. This shows one can have a clean heart, evidenced by the good works James about, and have great wealth at the same time, gained by the works of one’s hand (and ultimately from God.)

Blessings,
Dennis

]]> By: Dennis http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7778 Dennis Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:35:55 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/10/16/sons-in-the-marketplace-%e2%80%93-no-more-pie-in-the-sky/#comment-7778 Kern, I'd been actually thinking about our citizenship this morning and how it is in heaven. Truly I agree with that. I think what I fail to forget, and I think some others may as well, is that we will be rewarded for eternity based on how we live here on the earth. I agree money is not our end-goal. Conformity to the image of Christ is, which is also the same as saying becoming His disciple (it is enough for the disciple to be like his master). I am now beginning to see my profession as a primary place of my discipleship to Jesus. Dallas Willard has said this in many of his writings, I've have struggled to work this out in my understanding and Michael's info as well as others is helping bridge the gap for me. I think at times we fail because we take the call to be in the world, but not of it, in a wrong way sometimes. The word "world" in the New Testament is often translated from the Greek word "cosmos," which means a world system. We are not called to operate according to the world's system, e.g., you love me first, and then I'll love you (did not Jesus comment on that?). Instead, we are called to love those who do not love us, i.e., operate according to the kingdom of God, live as Jesus did ("I have left for you an example to follow"). Because of that wrong thinking, we can divorce ourselves from living in the world, where we are called to be. As Jesus said, go out into all the world and make disciples. At times I know I have withdrawn because of the wrong "in the world, not of of it" thinking, instead of going. The kingdoms of this world SHALL become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ! Dennis Kern,

I’d been actually thinking about our citizenship this morning and how it is in heaven. Truly I agree with that. I think what I fail to forget, and I think some others may as well, is that we will be rewarded for eternity based on how we live here on the earth. I agree money is not our end-goal. Conformity to the image of Christ is, which is also the same as saying becoming His disciple (it is enough for the disciple to be like his master). I am now beginning to see my profession as a primary place of my discipleship to Jesus. Dallas Willard has said this in many of his writings, I’ve have struggled to work this out in my understanding and Michael’s info as well as others is helping bridge the gap for me.

I think at times we fail because we take the call to be in the world, but not of it, in a wrong way sometimes. The word “world” in the New Testament is often translated from the Greek word “cosmos,” which means a world system. We are not called to operate according to the world’s system, e.g., you love me first, and then I’ll love you (did not Jesus comment on that?). Instead, we are called to love those who do not love us, i.e., operate according to the kingdom of God, live as Jesus did (”I have left for you an example to follow”). Because of that wrong thinking, we can divorce ourselves from living in the world, where we are called to be. As Jesus said, go out into all the world and make disciples. At times I know I have withdrawn because of the wrong “in the world, not of of it” thinking, instead of going. The kingdoms of this world SHALL become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ!
Dennis

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