Comments on: What Does the Bible Teach Us About Wealth? http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/ Michael Pink Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:23:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Chrissie http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11967 Chrissie Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:55:04 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11967 Thanks for your honesty Oluseyi. I have lived like that all my life! Now I believe that I have been in training for the end times, as I have come to realise that ALL I am and have is found in Jesus. One time we wanted to go to help out in Mozambique. We were asking God for the fares etc (very expensive trip from NZ), and He said "Buy a house!" So we bought a rental property and the tenant is paying off the house and the trip, as we got enough loan to pay for both. One time our farm had a flood and the year's crops were wiped out. We had $14000 of bills to pay one month. We put them on the floor, prayed over them, and the following day found $7000 in the bank - courtesy the tax refund department! The rest came in over the next 2 weeks. God is so GOOD! I believe that sometimes our 'lack' is training for reigning as we need to learn to trust God for the business decisions and not lean on our own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5&6) At least that's the way I have viewed it. My lack becomes His opportunity for a supernatural solution. Also, we have had to deal with familiar spirits of poverty that have come down the family lines, and break the curse off our lives. We found Larry Huch's book and CD study guide really great in that area. Many blessings to everyone as we walk this amazing and fascinating faith walk together. Chrissie, New Zealand Thanks for your honesty Oluseyi. I have lived like that all my life! Now I believe that I have been in training for the end times, as I have come to realise that ALL I am and have is found in Jesus. One time we wanted to go to help out in Mozambique. We were asking God for the fares etc (very expensive trip from NZ), and He said “Buy a house!” So we bought a rental property and the tenant is paying off the house and the trip, as we got enough loan to pay for both. One time our farm had a flood and the year’s crops were wiped out. We had $14000 of bills to pay one month. We put them on the floor, prayed over them, and the following day found $7000 in the bank - courtesy the tax refund department! The rest came in over the next 2 weeks. God is so GOOD! I believe that sometimes our ‘lack’ is training for reigning as we need to learn to trust God for the business decisions and not lean on our own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5&6) At least that’s the way I have viewed it. My lack becomes His opportunity for a supernatural solution. Also, we have had to deal with familiar spirits of poverty that have come down the family lines, and break the curse off our lives. We found Larry Huch’s book and CD study guide really great in that area.
Many blessings to everyone as we walk this amazing and fascinating faith walk together.
Chrissie, New Zealand

]]> By: oluseyi adedoyin http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11931 oluseyi adedoyin Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:07:19 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11931 Very intriguing, I am currently reading a book by mike murdock on wealth, i am a thither n generous giver to the things of God, yet it seems, we are constantly living from hand to mouth, any infor on wealth is timely, as i k now beyound a shadow of doubt that God doesnt want me to b poor. Can i put my name down for the free book you are planning to give out in december, God bless u. OluSeyi, Essex, UK Very intriguing, I am currently reading a book by mike murdock on wealth, i am a thither n generous giver to the things of God, yet it seems, we are constantly living from hand to mouth, any infor on wealth is timely, as i k now beyound a shadow of doubt that God doesnt want me to b poor.
Can i put my name down for the free book you are planning to give out in december, God bless u.

OluSeyi, Essex, UK

]]> By: Helen http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11928 Helen Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:34:42 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11928 Michael Thank you for letting me know how to order a FREE copy of this book. I have so many books waiting to read and vowed I would not spend any more money on books. My Life Recovery Bible is the best book I have had in a long time! Years ago there were not all these books and big ministries. We are living far too hectic lives as it is in the western world. Surely the Bible was enough to read with the anointing of the Holy Spirit? Some of these ministers put people off becoming Christians because of their aggressive preaching and, as someone else has said, getting people to give to their ministries and telling them that if they do so they will get a blessing! In my estimation a lot of this is coming from a place of intimidation and manipulation Jesus is the gentle Lamb of God and Derek Prince preached many years ago that in these end times we will have to choose between having the Spirit of the Lamb in us or the Spirit of the Beast!! Derek Prince is one of the few Bible teachers who I listened to for years and learned so much. When I left a Charismatic Church, many years ago, I was told by the leader that "I could not be one of his sheep because his sheep hear his voice". That is arrogance and the Lord sends delusion to those with this mentality. I believe this leader actually thought that he was God! In the 12 step fellowships the newcomer is the most important person in the group and the other members are to serve the newcomer. Unfortunately in many groups the leadership is the most important and Christians are called to follow like sheep. The gospel is very SIMPLE and its really time for us to stop following big ministries around, going from one meeting to another. We need to be getting out there individually as the Holy Spirit leads, gently witnessing to others and asking for everything that we need, i.e. words of knowledge, from Him. However we need first of all to spend much time waiting on Him and meditating on His Word. I remember with embarrassment when I was a new Christian the mistakes I made in being too enthusiastic and putting people off. He gave me a vision, last year, of a uterus and the fallopian tubes and inside the uterus was a golden eagle trying to travel down the birth canal and get out. However, the eagle changed from gold to black to gold to black and gold to black and faded away! Isaiah 40 was the scripture which went with the vision. Those who wait upon the Lord will renew their strength! Michael
Thank you for letting me know how to order a FREE copy of this book. I have so many books waiting to read and vowed I would not spend any more money on books. My Life Recovery Bible is the best book I have had in a long time!
Years ago there were not all these books and big ministries.
We are living far too hectic lives as it is in the western world. Surely the Bible was enough to read with the anointing of the Holy Spirit? Some of these ministers put people off becoming Christians because of their aggressive preaching and, as someone else has said, getting people to give to their ministries and telling them that if they do so they will get a blessing! In my estimation a lot of this is coming from a place of intimidation and manipulation
Jesus is the gentle Lamb of God and Derek Prince preached many years ago that in these end times we will have to choose between having the Spirit of the Lamb in us or the Spirit of the Beast!! Derek Prince is one of the few Bible teachers who I listened to for years and learned so much.
When I left a Charismatic Church, many years ago, I was told by the leader that “I could not be one of his sheep because his sheep hear his voice”. That is arrogance and the Lord sends delusion to those with this mentality. I believe this leader actually thought that he was God! In the 12 step fellowships the newcomer is the most important person in the group and the other members are to serve the newcomer. Unfortunately in many groups the leadership is the most important and Christians are called to follow like sheep. The gospel is very SIMPLE and its really time for us to stop following big ministries around, going from one meeting to another. We need to be getting out there individually as the Holy Spirit leads, gently witnessing to others and asking for everything that we need, i.e. words of knowledge, from Him. However we need first of all to spend much time waiting on Him and meditating on His Word. I remember with embarrassment when I was a new Christian the mistakes I made in being too enthusiastic and putting people off. He gave me a vision, last year, of a uterus and the fallopian tubes and inside the uterus was a golden eagle trying to travel down the birth canal and get out. However, the eagle changed from gold to black to gold to black and gold to black and faded away! Isaiah 40 was the scripture which went with the vision. Those who wait upon the Lord will renew their strength!

]]> By: Michael Pink http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11921 Michael Pink Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:20:54 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11921 Dear Christine and others... Please be watching your inbox Thursday, December 6th for instructions on how to receive your free copy of John Muratori's ground breaking book. Some restrictions do apply. Blessings, Michael Dear Christine and others…

Please be watching your inbox Thursday, December 6th for instructions on how to receive your free copy of John Muratori’s ground breaking book. Some restrictions do apply.

Blessings, Michael

]]> By: christine herbert http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11900 christine herbert Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:16:45 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11900 Thank you for this encouragement. Through my personal experiences of the past and the first church i went to (very religious)!! Ive always felt that having lots of money was wrong. But through my struggles over many, many years (not of my own making) I realise that God wants us to excel in all areas. At present I am unemployed for about the eighth time in 9 yrs (none my fault), but I am trusting God for a better future. I was thinking about the son of Jonathan (cant spell his name) when King David called his servants to seek out anyone from Saul's family that he could bless. And they found a son of Jonathan who was crippled. David brought him to his "banqueting table"!! Jesus is the King of Kings, so yes He is looking to bless His children, we only need to believe and expect great things materially and financially. My dream is to raise up the broken and hurting and outcasts, not only spiritually, emotionally but also to bless them materially. In the natural I have been in the wilderness for a long time, but I keep reprogramming my mind to expect wonderful things as His mercies are new every morning. I would love to have a copy of John Lois Muratori's book please. Thank you for this encouragement. Through my personal experiences of the past and the first church i went to (very religious)!! Ive always felt that having lots of money was wrong. But through my struggles over many, many years (not of my own making) I realise that God wants us to excel in all areas. At present I am unemployed for about the eighth time in 9 yrs (none my fault), but I am trusting God for a better future. I was thinking about the son of Jonathan (cant spell his name) when King David called his servants to seek out anyone from Saul’s family that he could bless. And they found a son of Jonathan who was crippled. David brought him to his “banqueting table”!! Jesus is the King of Kings, so yes He is looking to bless His children, we only need to believe and expect great things materially and financially. My dream is to raise up the broken and hurting and outcasts, not only spiritually, emotionally but also to bless them materially. In the natural I have been in the wilderness for a long time, but I keep reprogramming my mind to expect wonderful things as His mercies are new every morning. I would love to have a copy of John Lois Muratori’s book please.

]]> By: Tim Kurtz http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11897 Tim Kurtz Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:45:01 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11897 (oops I presse the wrong button, here is the remainder of my comments) The first value for every believer must be the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He owns ‘it’ (the wealth) and us (Psalms 50:10;Haggai 2:8; 1 Corinthians 6:20). The believer who truly embraces the Lordship of Jesus Christ understands that any wealth they accumulate belongs to the Lord - not them. The Lord promises to care for us (Matthew 6:8,33). Whether I am called to raise millions of dollars, or if I simply earn enough for me and my family - it all belongs to the Lord. Anything I recieve from Him is a gift of grace - not a right of ownership. Finally, God is not upset with us having nice things or being prosperous. It is when those things become idols that we sin. Even if one chooses to take a 'vow of poverty' - the very act of doing so acknowleges the ability or percieved right to prosperity. A vow of poverty or the accumulation of billions do not take the place of the complete allegience to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Thank you for this forum. (oops I presse the wrong button, here is the remainder of my comments)

The first value for every believer must be the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He owns ‘it’ (the wealth) and us (Psalms 50:10;Haggai 2:8; 1 Corinthians 6:20). The believer who truly embraces the Lordship of Jesus Christ understands that any wealth they accumulate belongs to the Lord - not them. The Lord promises to care for us (Matthew 6:8,33). Whether I am called to raise millions of dollars, or if I simply earn enough for me and my family - it all belongs to the Lord. Anything I recieve from Him is a gift of grace - not a right of ownership.
Finally, God is not upset with us having nice things or being prosperous. It is when those things become idols that we sin. Even if one chooses to take a ‘vow of poverty’ - the very act of doing so acknowleges the ability or percieved right to prosperity. A vow of poverty or the accumulation of billions do not take the place of the complete allegience to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
Thank you for this forum.

]]> By: Tim Kurtz http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11896 Tim Kurtz Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:29:28 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11896 Thank you. Poverty is a curse. Also, the inordinate love of money creates an equal amount of issues. I believe that it is our definition of 'wealth' that is the issue. It is defined, primarily in the church by the 'world's standards'. It is defined by 'things' rather than 'purpose'. Most of the passages I have read about wealth define its purposes. God gives us the power to get wealth -TO ESTABLISH HIS COVENANT (Deut 8:18). The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just - SO THAT AN INHERITANCE CAN BE ESTABLISHED FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN (Proverbs 13:22). From our sowing we recieve all sufficiency, in all things - TO HAVE AN ABUNDANCE FOR EVERY GOOD WORK (2 Corinthians 9:6-8). The first value for every believer must be the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He owns 'it' (the wealth) and us (Psalms 50:10; Thank you. Poverty is a curse. Also, the inordinate love of money creates an equal amount of issues. I believe that it is our definition of ‘wealth’ that is the issue. It is defined, primarily in the church by the ‘world’s standards’. It is defined by ‘things’ rather than ‘purpose’. Most of the passages I have read about wealth define its purposes. God gives us the power to get wealth -TO ESTABLISH HIS COVENANT (Deut 8:18). The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just - SO THAT AN INHERITANCE CAN BE ESTABLISHED FOR THEIR CHILDREN’S CHILDREN (Proverbs 13:22). From our sowing we recieve all sufficiency, in all things - TO HAVE AN ABUNDANCE FOR EVERY GOOD WORK (2 Corinthians 9:6-8).
The first value for every believer must be the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He owns ‘it’ (the wealth) and us (Psalms 50:10;

]]> By: Helen http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11879 Helen Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:48:15 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11879 I also heard another teaching many years ago which commented on the scripture "the love of money is the root of all evil" saying that it means the hoarding of money is the root of all evil, meaning that we should keep giving away our time and resources. It says somewhere in the Bible "sow besides every water". Also if we give to the poor we are lending to the Lord and the Lord is no mans debtor. I believe it depends on our heart attitude. Many Christians are in fear because of lack of trust and a poverty mentalityand the fearful end time teachings going around. I was in Charismatic church many years ago and they had the idea of prosperity. However there were other errors in this organisation such as Heavy Shepherding, Replacement Theology and Kingdom Dominion teaching. Then we were involved with a few groups who preached against this type of church and who were into legalistic Christianity or, as some would describe, "religion" which does not set anyone free or attract unbelievers either! Their favourite subjects for preaching were the end times and Israel. One of the reasons for their anti-prosperity teaching was the fact that the anti-Christ would appear on the world scene shortly and that we would all have to have the mark stamped on us. ie. 666 if we wanted to buy or sell and that if we were Christians then we were not to have this done. Therefore we would not be able to buy or sell and we would be in poverty totally trusting the Lord for everything??? Now I am working a 12 step spiritual programme, thank the Lord, and am back, thankfully, in the Church of England (after family breakdown) I believe we should be prospered for the work of the Kingdom and to get the message out to believers and non-believers that there is a God who loves us all and to trust Him daily and hourly, to get rid of negative emotions and to forgive and join with others in love speaking our own truth quietly and clearly. I also heard another teaching many years ago which commented on the scripture “the love of money is the root of all evil” saying that it means the hoarding of money is the root of all evil, meaning that we should keep giving away our time and resources. It says somewhere in the Bible “sow besides every water”. Also if we give to the poor we are lending to the Lord and the Lord is no mans debtor. I believe it depends on our heart attitude. Many Christians are in fear because of lack of trust and a poverty mentalityand the fearful end time teachings going around. I was in Charismatic church many years ago and they had the idea of prosperity. However there were other errors in this organisation such as Heavy Shepherding, Replacement Theology and Kingdom Dominion teaching. Then we were involved with a few groups who preached against this type of church and who were into legalistic Christianity or, as some would describe, “religion” which does not set anyone free or attract unbelievers either! Their favourite subjects for preaching were the end times and Israel. One of the reasons for their anti-prosperity teaching was the fact that the anti-Christ would appear on the world scene shortly and that we would all have to have the mark stamped on us. ie. 666 if we wanted to buy or sell and that if we were Christians then we were not to have this done. Therefore we would not be able to buy or sell and we would be in poverty totally trusting the Lord for everything???
Now I am working a 12 step spiritual programme, thank the Lord, and am back, thankfully, in the Church of England (after family breakdown) I believe we should be prospered for the work of the Kingdom and to get the message out to believers and non-believers that there is a God who loves us all and to trust Him daily and hourly, to get rid of negative emotions and to forgive and join with others in love speaking our own truth quietly and clearly.

]]> By: Rev. George Diaz http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11861 Rev. George Diaz Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:28:38 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11861 I am following the lack of richness at church and this topic is very interesting congratulations, I will be ansious to receive more info. My God bless you. Apostol Jorge D. Diaz Ministerios Internacionales Manantiales de Vida P.O. box 40160 mesa az 85274-0160 480-343-3115 I am following the lack of richness at church and this topic is very interesting congratulations, I will be ansious to receive more info.
My God bless you.
Apostol
Jorge D. Diaz
Ministerios Internacionales Manantiales de Vida
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]]> By: Daniel http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11851 Daniel Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:04:28 +0000 http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2007/11/26/what-does-the-bible-teach-us-about-wealth/#comment-11851 this note is for Elena: The verse about "working out our salvation with fear and trembling" can be found in Phillippians 2: 12. this note is for Elena:

The verse about “working out our salvation with fear and trembling” can be found in Phillippians 2: 12.

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