ChristianBusinessDaily.com Endorses Ron Paul for President
February 4th, 2008 | Michael Q. Pink
Hello Friend,
I wanted to pass along a quick message for your consideration. The editorial team at ChristianBusinessDaily.com has made an announcement today that they are endorsing Ron Paul for the Republican nomination in this year’s U.S. Presidential Election. They sent out the following message to their subscribers today:
A Message from Ron Paul
America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom, and a belief in sound money. We need to return to those principles so our economy can thrive once again.
Other candidates talk a lot about stimulus packages, but my record stands alone. I have fought for these measures in Congress as the Ranking Member on the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade and Technology, and as a member of the Joint Economic Committee, and will fight for their passage as president.
My plan entails four points: Tax Reform, Spending Reform, Monetary Policy Reform, and Regulatory Reform.
Tax reform means reducing the tax burden and eliminating taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes. If we cut spending to the level it was at under the Clinton administration, we can permanently do away with the income tax and the IRS. No true conservative would say that government was too small during the Clinton years!
There are several steps we can take to immediately ease the tax burden. I have proposed H.J. Res 23, which would repeal the Sixteenth Amendment and thus eliminate income, estate, and capital gains taxes. H.R. 191 would repeal President Clinton’s 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits, while H.R. 192 would repeal all taxes on Social Security benefits. I also support legislation to accelerate depreciation on investment and end the practice of taxing forgiven mortgage debt.
In the area of spending reform, I want to eliminate wasteful spending, reduce overseas commitments, and freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels. I never vote for pork-laden bills, and I will veto them and any unbalanced budget as president. We need to refocus our national defense so that we guard our own borders, instead those of other nations. We can save billions if we stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan, South Korea and other nations. Congress does not have the constitutional authority to send out foreign aid, and our current foreign policy of nation building is bankrupting us.
Monetary policy reform means expanding openness at the Federal Reserve and requiring the Fed to televise its meetings, as well as returning to sound money. Washington’s disastrous fiscal policies, marked by shameless deficit spending and Federal Reserve currency devaluation, are some of the greatest threats facing our nation today. It is this one-two punch - Congress spending more than it can tax or borrow, and the Treasury printing money to make up the difference - that threatens to impoverish us by further destroying the value of our dollars. It’s time to end the fiat money system, legalize competing currencies, and restore soundness to our dollar.
Finally, we need to institute true regulatory reform by repealing Sarb anes/Oxley’s regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of U.S. markets. Congress’ rush to action after the Enron scandal gave us a bill that has heavily burdened small businesses and driven companies offshore. I also support repealing federal regulations that prevent financial institutions such as independent and community banks and credit unions from fostering economic growth.
A true package to stimulate the economy not only puts money back in Americans’ pockets, it deals with the underlying causes of our current situation - an out-of-control foreign policy, runaway deficit spending, and currency devaluation brought on by the Federal Reserve’s inflationary policies. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.
You can see the full endorsement from ChristianBusinessDaily.com’s editors here.
Blessings,
Michael
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February 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Who asked you?
Chasing Ron Paul’s crazy dream is a surefire way to put Hillary in the White House.
Instead, if you’re going to endorse a candidate, you should endorse a candidate who can win, and will do some good. Mitt Romney fits that description, and not voting for him because of his Mormon faith is as bigoted as voting for a woman or a black simply because she’s a woman or he’s black.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Ron Paul cannot win. And some of his ideas are good but not all. Some are downright goofy.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I thought this was a true christian site, but with the endorsement of Paul I question that. He wants to abandon our friends around the world and let them fend for themselves. Where would that leave countries like Israel who are surrounded by enemies.
and the other post that said not voting for a Mormon is bigoted is just wrong, a cult member is not the same as being a woman or black. You can chose to believe any crazy nut but you can’t chose your sex or race.
February 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
What concerns me is his ideology concerning the Middle East. Sounds dangerous. He just wants to pull out ASAP.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I see that you are endorsing Ron Paul. I am wondering why. I know that it is a sad state of affairs when you have to vote for someone who you really don’t want to have elected just so someone worse is not elected. But we have been thinking that that is what is necessary for our country this year. It doesn’t look like Mr. Paul really has a chance, and my prayers are that a stronger true conservative would step up within the next few weeks before the convention.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I think we have to be careful to not say that someone can’t possibly be elected. John McCain was written off just a few short months ago and now he is one of the leading contenders.
The majority of the world is not Christian. Do we stop trying to disciple and convert because we are not the majority? Don’t we have to lead (and vote) where our heart and our faith leads us? Isn’t God in charge of the outcome?
February 4th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I will say it,,Ron Paul cannot be elected. That is reality. Unless God performs a miracle which I do not see Him doing. The country and us Christians, deserve McCain or one of the Democrats.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Kern, aren’t you often the minority as a Christian? Aren’t your views often very different than those around you? Should people write you off for not being in the majority? As Christians, aren’t we supposed to take the high road?
Don’t mistake my comments as an endorsement for Ron Paul, but rather just pointing out that we need to follow who we feel will best represent our views, regardless of how popular they are.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Thank you, Michael, for mentioning our endorsement. Anyone who is interested can check out our published reasons for endorsing Ron Paul here:
ChristianBusinessDaily.com Endorses Ron Paul for President
February 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
FROM RON PAUL WEBSITE:
On my first day as commander-in-chief, I will direct the Joint Chiefs of Staff and our commanders on the ground to devise and execute a plan to immediately withdraw our troops in the safest manner possible.
What makes him any different from the the Democrat’s cut & run!
February 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I think it’s interesting that Michael chose to inform the audience about the ChristianBusinessDaily.com endorsement and he has drawn so much fire for doing so.
Chris:
Ron Paul’s “crazy dream” coincides remarkably with that of the “crazy Founding Fathers” who sacrificed their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to create a free society with decentralized government, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and countless other freedoms that our society has been in the process of abandoning little by little.
There are numerous areas in which Ron Paul’s stance for liberty differs significantly from Mitt Romney’s, and none of them have to do with Romney’s Mormonism.
Personally, after evaluating the positions of all of the other Republican candidates, I can find no true conservatives among them. They will, by all appearances, follow in the footsteps of President Bush who has (even if you completely ignore the war in Iraq) outspent Bill Clinton! Bush if by far anything but conservative. Only Congressman Paul has outlined a serious plan for reducing our enormously oversized government.
To Brent: the “cut & run” democrats also have plans to force you into numerous Socialist programs, not the least of which is forced participation in some sort of universal health care plan. They view your paycheck (not to mention those of your children and grandchildren) as fair game for whatever entitlement programs they can dream up to get votes.
Ron Paul rightly pointed out in 2002 that we didn’t belong in Iraq. He denounced the ill-contrived rationale for the invasion long before it was popular. He has never changed his position. If we aren’t careful over there, we will incite yet further conflict unnecessarily at the cost of thousands of American lives and Billions (if not Trillions) of dollars that we don’t have in order to accomplish little, if anything.
I, for one, appreciate the fact that Michael Pink has created an opportunity for open discussion about this critical election. Where else would we have the opportunity to bring diverse opinions together and have a conversation amongst those who are ultimately on the same team?
Blessings.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I’d urge you to vote for the ONLY candidate who consistently votes according to the U. S. Constitution. That’s an incredible statement to make in 2008, but it is absolutely true.
Every other candidate, of both parties, panders to special interest groups intent on wielding power to force their personal morality on us and/or to tax, spend and regulate the economy to further the goals of their special interest groups.
The official gatekeepers of the mainstream media have done their best to ignore and belittle Ron Paul to convince you that the only “viable” candidates are those picked by the Power Brokers behind the scenes. They’d like you to think that you are “wasting your vote” unless you vote for one of their “lesser of two evils” candidates.
On Tuesday you can tell the mainstream media and their handlers that you will not act like one of their docile sheep and pull the lever for one of their lackeys by voting for Ron Paul.
Remember: the lesser of two evils is still evil. Christ NEVER told us to choose evil for any reason.
Porter
February 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Sorry, I have to agree that Paul cannot win and a vote for him is a vote for Hillary.
I also agree that Mormonism is a cult, and I dont particulalry want that represented in the White House.
We’re obviously going to have to pray and seek God in a huge way this time around (not that we shouldnt have before). Our choices are slim and scattered.
I’m afraid it may be the lesser of two evils, but Paul isnt going to make it and you will be throwing your vote to the wind.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I wonder what would happen if everybody who said they wouldn’t vote for him because he can’t win, actually voted for him? Perhaps that would change the results some.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Oh yes, let’s not waste our vote.
Let’s see. Christians voted in droves for our current President. The scary alternatives were Gore and then Kerry. Could they have done much worse?
Bush’s record of a disastrous unprovoked war, busting of the budget, bankruptcy of our country as evidenced by the crash of the dollar, the destruction of our civil liberties, trashing of goodwill around the globe — even Hillary would be hard-pressed to have done worse.
It’s time we Christians quit being played for fools. We think we’re so wise choosing between the “viable” candidates anointed as such by the Mainstream Media. Instead, we’re foolish pawns in their little game.
Wake up fellow Christians. Stop being suckers. Do what’s right!
Porter
February 4th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
It’s not that Paul cant’ be elected, it’s that he SHOULDN’T be elected. He’s a whacked out conspiracy theorist and would dump Israel and Taiwan in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, ALL the Republican candidates are deeply flawed.
I’m beginning to think Anne Coulter may be on to something. Since all of them lean to the left, perhaps the best course of action would be to elect a true liberal, like Obama, let him make a mess of things while we find a TRUE conservative to run in 2012.
“Jimmy Carter was the price we paid to get Ronald Reagan…”
February 4th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Aaron Nolastname:
Lest you be accused of slandering Ron Paul, please quote him to back up your assertions.
Yes, he would dump foreign aid to all countries as being not only unconstitutional, but unproductive. Plus, it makes them dependent on us as do all welfare schemes. If that is offensive to you, then be offended by Paul’s faithfulness to the US Constitution. You are personally free to give your money to any country you like.
Advocating voting for Obama in hopes of a “true conservative” arising is, indeed, a “whacked out” theory. Ron Paul is a true conservative in the mold of Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater (Barry Jr. endorsed him). Funny you don’t seem to recognize a “true conservative” when he is running now. But then again, the disciples didn’t recognize Jesus on the Emmaus road.
George Bush, Bill Clinton, and GW Bush are the price we paid to get Ron Paul to run. Don’t squander it!
Porter
February 4th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Michael,
I appreciate that so many have readers have such a passion to comment on the elections. However, I am disappointed in the fractioning that has resulted within the camp who profess Christ, especially noted leaders or influencers that have endorsed candidates.
Each time I see this occur, I see our chances of getting a solid candidate elected go down in flames or see a democrat get closer to office. The greatest threat to the enemy is our unity as a voter group…but this seems to be eroding. Some focus on foreign policy and others on fiscal. What really matters is a man who can hear God and is electable.
Your endorsement of Paul is disconcerting to me and raises cause for concern. Could you have critiqued all the candidates and let your readers make a decision as an alternative? The role of President is as decision maker and relying upon good counsel, the Holy Spirit and your team. My choice is Huckabee because he has done this in Arkansas.
Looking at the numbers and the devisiveness within mainstream Christianity, Ron Paul has no chance and will be a victory for Dems.
February 4th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
John:
“Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.” Proverbs 27:17.
Don’t be afraid of dissenting opinions among Christians, especially about politics. Pat Robertson did us all a big favor by coming out for Giuliani. Now maybe Christians will stop acting like little birds waiting for their leaders to do their thinking for them and stuff their little mouths and brains with pre-digested opinions.
As one who worked professionally in the 1980’s for Robertson helping get Christians active in politics, I can now appreciate how Dr. Frankenstein must have felt when his creation turned into a monster running amok.
All Christians need is a few key endorsements, and a candidate who is said to “pray” and mouths a few pro life phrases, and they’re ready to cast their vote.
Heaven forbid Christians do any heavy intellectual lifting with actual study of economic and political theory, let alone history. We’d rather have faith in our leaders and those they anoint than develop our own discernment.
This debate should have been going on for months. Actually for years.
Porter
February 4th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Jesus, Help us!!!
February 4th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Yes, Maidena… I agree: Jesus Help us!!!
Jesus, Help Us to not have McCain win the nomination:
McCain on Economics
February 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
And why aren’t we discussing Mile Huckabee? There’s no way on the face of this planet I’m voting for Ron Paul or Mitt Romney.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Did you read anything in Ron Paul’s message regarding the sanctity of life -the Right to Life, No cloning or stem cell research. What about preserving traditional marriage? What kind of judges do you think he will appoint especially to the supreme count? Where are the Christian issues he is avocating or will fight to preserve?
In all his speaches I never heard him declare himself to be a Christian. In his message there is no evidence that he is a Christian, espouses Christian virtures or might be considered a child of God - Ep. 5:8 For you were once darkness,but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. Where is Ron Paul’s light?
Continually pray for wisdom, guidence and for God’s will to be done in electing the next President of the United States of America. Read 1 Samuel ch. 8 - ch. 13. Pray the one who reigns over you will “continue” to follow the Lord your God.
God Bless America.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:00 am
At last! A Christian organization without their head in the sand!! Praise the Lord! Ron Paul is our only hope in the political arena. Go vote tomorrow at your primary/caucus.
Vote Ron Paul 2008.
Matt
February 5th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Please, before you go calling Ron Paul not a Christian and judging his stance on Israel and saying that we would leave them hanging out to dry… He was interviewed by God’s iPod …actually his wife first, then two of their Granddaughters and then Ron Paul.
http://godsipod.com/podcast_res/israel_anderson/audio/IA_080202.mp3
You will find that he is a Christian Candidate with more integrity than any of the other candidates out there. Oh, and he started out to be a Pastor but decided to be a doctor instead. He might not wear his Christianity on his sleeve, but where does the Constitution say that a Candidate must profess his religious beliefs?
Last I checked, the Constitution is the Law of our Land and our Bible tells us to obey the Law of the Land. Dr. Ron Paul is the ONLY CANDIDATE letting his yes to uphold the Constitution be yes. If you support any other candidate, you are supporting someone who is not upholding their oath of Office - professing believer or not. It is the President’s job to uphold the Constitution and our Bible tells us to obey the law of the land in which we reside! Why don’t you hold the other candidates to that?
February 5th, 2008 at 1:25 am
I have to tell you that I voted last week in Washington State and voted for Ron Paul for President. I pray to God that he will get enough votes to move forward in the election. Thank you for your e-mail.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:33 am
Hello folks,
All that man stuff - please read Kings and Chronicles and check out what man does in his own strength!
And then realise that you need to get closer to Christ i.e. time in prayer.
Ask who the Lord would have you vote for - stay in prayer until you get the answer and the having learned that your Father (in Heaven) knows the future continue to stay there on a daily basis for your life - and your childrens lives - and your Nations life.
One cry in the wilderness in Gods Will is more powerful that the bleating of thousands in the cities.
Down here in New Zealand some of us pray that you will pray as your outcome affects us as well.
Ask God, vote accordingly and have lots of joy in your lives
Ian
February 5th, 2008 at 5:29 am
Vote for a candidate who can win? What a sell out! I’m voting for a man who SHOULD win, and I pledge my vote, even if I have to write it upon my ballot, to the only man who should win. There is only one candidate who CUTS across political and religious lines and he is ron paul. There is, however, a showdown coming. With only four candidates left now, those electorial votes will have to go somewhere, and I believe they will go to the one candidate they should go to. This revolution is going to get a lot hotter before it convinces people that they should vote for the right person and not just to one who can win. If that person can’t win, then we all lose! Big Time!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:43 am
I am appalled and shocked to read some of the posts above. Thomas Scalise is a good representation of the ignorance around Ron Paul. Is he a born again Christian? YES! Read his web site on the issues! Does he carry that around on his sleeve? No! Read why on his web site. Is he for right to life? Are you kidding!? He’s a doctor who has never done an abortion and has delivered over 4,000 babies. Traditional marriage? He’s for states rights NOT FEDERAL powers on that issue. IF the feds can pass that Constitutional measure they can also make queers “suitable” subjects for marriage. THINK about it. In my opinion, marriage is up to the man, woman and God. NOT a state. But give that to the federal government and it won’t be long before homos have the same statutory right. Think about it. Won’t you please go to the ronpaul2008.com website and actually get straight on the issues? “2 Sam 23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. KJV
Soon, I think more and more people are going to realize that only Ron Paul cuts across the broad spectrum of politics and Christianity. READ his issues. He is America’s only choice or there will be hell to pay.
February 5th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Dear Michael,
Thank you for that post. Now I am encouraged.
Heather
Ron Paul 2008
February 5th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Just Curious, if the IRS - income taxes, social security taxes, etc. are eliminated, how do we fund Social Security and other Government Services? This sounds a little Protectionist, a turning inward. Sure, we should get our house in order and reign in spending, and require more accountability with our financial aid, but this speach doesn’t tell me how he plans to make that happen. Even if you like and agree with Ron Paul, he will most likely not be nominated.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Hey all,
Wow, talk about some energy. I thought I’d weigh in with my part. We all know/see in part, so it’s great everyone’s giving their part, as others have said, so we can sharpen one another. I believe one of the greatest battles we face in the election is of an uniformed or misinformed voting population. Hence, the many misleading ads, opinions by pundits, etc. A reminder to me to seek God and to guard my heart - both in terms of what I let in, and dealing with my motives, emotions, etc.
On Ron Paul: I’ve heard him in the debates several times. I agree with some of what he says, especially on some things related to monetary policy. Issues we face economically are related to our monetary policy. I sat with a banker last week and we talked about the previous Fed chief and some of the decisions made in terms of lowering rates. In some sense, the creation of the tech bubble/bust and housing boom/bust can be directly related to that monetary policy. This Fed chief was very aggressive in measures taken. This was not a Bush or Clinton thing; if I’m not mistaken, this individual was put in place (someone help me) by Reagan or Ford.
I’m trying to make 2 points with this: I believe it’s overly simplistic to blame Bush for our current economic conditions, just as much as it is to give Bill Clinton credit for the ’90’s (with a Republican congress). There are just too many factors that come into play. Secondly, I believe this represents a call/opportunity to be like Joseph. The Fed chief and other economists base their information on past trends and empirical (measurable) data. We as Christians are to do this as well, with all the skill and excellence, and in some cases, will be better at it than non-Christians because of the Holy Spirit within us. But we have an advantage in that we are connected with the Holy Spirit and are aware of the unseen spiritual world. “So we fix our eyes on what is unseen, for what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” May we be like Joseph, who with excellence and skill in the natural, combined with spiritual insight, was able to provide God’s solution to an entire land, with uncommon wisdom, which is really God’s wisdom. Empiricism and measurable results are needed and good; what is needed more is the Spirit of wisdom and understanding combined with that. As Michael has written, in some cases you cannot get an audience unless you have skill that command attention (”Do you see a man skilled in his labors? He will not serve before common men, he will serve before kings.” Proverbs).
So it is with this election: we must use our minds and analyze where candidates are coming from, but also get with God and know His mind and heart and what truly is real.
BLESSINGS to you my sisters and brothers in Christ!!!!
With much love,
Dennis
February 5th, 2008 at 11:26 am
I also want to add that I personally like Bill Clinton and have liked him since he ran in ‘92. That being said, I disagree with him on most of his policies and stands. However, I’ve been rebuked in the past about my attitude and heart toward him, complaining about him and not praying for him. I do not want to be the accuser’s mouthpiece against Bill Clinton or any candidate before God. Yes, there are issues to speak out against and these folks have great influence and make decisions that impact many for eternity, and they will be held accountable for those decisions. We can pray for them and God can change their hearts! The heart of the king is in the Lord’s hand, and HE directs it wherever HE will.
Blessings,
Dennis
February 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Maureenn - the Social Security will and should be paid by the social security funds that have come out of the citizens paychecks. Has nothing to do with the IRS being eliminated. AFA the other government programs- how do you think we survived before taxes in 1913? It’s all we’ve known for 100 years, so of course we doubt that it could work. It’s all we’ve known and it’s hard to imagine life any other way.
Ron Paul’s economic plan cuts more than $150 BILLION dollars in spending. That is more than the other 3 Republican Candidates’ plans combined - not to mention their plans increase spending, while Ron Paul’s doesn’t. So, if he’s cutting spending that much will we really still need all that taxpaying money? Also, if you have listened to him he has stated that IF the IRS were abolished we would, as a Nation, be at the same place financially as we were 10 years ago. That statement was thought ludicrous by many but researched and found it is true.
AFA not being elected - he has a large number of delegates already that the media inacurrately reports on. It is NOT the popular vote that gets him the GOP nomination, it’s the number of delegates. He has more than 1/3 in Maine… forget what they say about Romney having all of them, they’re lying. He has a large number going to the State Convention in Louisiana and Nevada too, and after tonight he will have even more. Stop listening to the Media, vote what’s RIGHT and TRUE and JUST and if everyone did he would have more votes.
Don’t forget - they said Reagan and Clinton and Carter would never win and look where they got!
February 5th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
For everyone who believes that Ron Paul “can’t” win:
Ron Paul Beats McCain in Maine, Wins 35% of State Delegates
February 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
This is a shocking anouncement, and to me calls into question the wisdom of your organization. I personally could never support Mr. Paul. In my opinion he feeds dispicable conspiracy theories and has no concept of the danger we face as a nation from fundamental muslims.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Mark: Can you give us some examples? Thanks!
February 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Sure, Here you will find a video of Mr Paul, from the presidential debate in his own words.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/video-michelle-takes-on-ron-paul-and-the-truthers-on-the-big-story/
February 5th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
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Again, we want everyone to have the chance to weigh in, which is why I’m explaining this in such detail.
Thanks again for participating in this important discussion!
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February 5th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Come on America, Some of you have got it - get on your knees and ‘chew the carpet’. stop all this whinging and moaning.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Ian, I’m a sure vigourus discussion about a such an important subject can appear sometimes to be whining and moaning especially to someone from NZ not familiar with our political process. In your opinion was Paul whining and moaning when he contended with Peter to his face? There is allot at stake here. I do agree that “chewing the carpet as you say, is good advice.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
The question is asked by Brent: “What makes him [Ron Paul] any different from the the Democrat’s cut & run!”
My Friend, contrary to both the Republicans and Democrats, and so called “born again Christians,” Ron Paul wants to obey the Constitution and IS a born again Christian who acts like one. If you think we should be helping our friends around the world, it would behoove you to FIRST obey the Constitution, wouldn’t it? I mean, do you really approve of a man who takes an OATH to uphold the Constitution and then violates it at every turn?
Please allow me to suggest that you’re an unwittingly victim of the liberal media establishment. You know little to nothing about our Constitution.
If you insist on voting for a man who can “win” you will ensure we all lose. Big Time! Please point your browser to http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/ and actually answer your questions with a bit of Constitutional sense.
Dan
February 5th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
I guess it’s time that someone pointed out that McCain isn’t even eligible to be President of the US under our Constitution.
Of course, under regulations other than our Constitution, some would consider him to be eligible.
Yet another example of the unconstitutionality of the current pack of Republicans.
Time for a Revolution!
February 6th, 2008 at 8:12 am
To All Concerned - I’m getting a bit grieved by all the political snobishness and rancor going on in this discussion. Christians come from many denominations, but are for Christ. Politically, we all have different views, one not necessarily better than the other, but we are for America. Stop putting each other down for their views. Continue to pray for God’s person to be elected. Personally, I was rooting for Guliani, but was very disappointed with how the whole thing turned out. Now I am just praying for God to lead me as I cast my final vote. God Bless you all.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Maureen:
To say that no political view is better than the others is a mind-boggling statement. It reflects a kind of dualism that separates the spiritual from the non-spiritual. It follows that Christ is not concerned about the political systems that people live in, systems that govern our relationships with others and other nations.
But Christ is Lord of all the world. He cares whether our laws are consistent with or violate His laws. Therefore, we should study politics and economics and make decisions consistent with our beliefs. We should know the political principles (or lack thereof) that guide candidates asking for our votes.
In the 1980’s we worked to awaken that awareness in Christians so they could become an active force for good in the political arena. Unfortunately, many of them became just another easily manipulated special interest group by anyone who learned the buzz phrases and was anointed by our own leaders.
I’m curious how a Christian could be for a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, war-mongering, serial marriage cross-dresser like Giuliani. How does that square with your Christianity?
And when God “leads” you to cast your final vote, will you just wait for a random name to pop into your head as you enter to voting booth? Or will it be the result of research into what the candidates stand for and how they square with your Christian political principles?
Porter
February 6th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Pharisees! “I’m curious how a Christian could be for a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, war-mongering, serial marriage cross-dresser like Giuliani. How does that square with your Christianity?”
Who did Jesus die for? Who is to say a man cannot be saved while serving in the White House! Just look at the CEOs from some of the top Industries? Are they all Christians, no, the position goes to the most qualified, and like it or not, some of those folks have better gifts and qualifications to lead than “Christians”. More blessed yes, but not always better qualified. I don’t believe in thowing out the baby with the bath water.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I’m new to this site and what jumps out at me is how intolerant y’all are of any other view but your own. Why would anyone else WANT to vote for Ron Paul or, for that matter, accept Jesus as their savior? There’s no love or room for disagreement. I’m 56 and can’t ever remember hearing about one piece of legislation, either positive or negative, associated with Mr. Paul. And what I have seen during this campaign hasn’t impressed me. He’s whiny; he can’t say anything positive; he has no vision for how to make this country better (that he articulates with hope); the joy of the Lord isn’t on his face (if he IS a Christian); and, I’m sorry, regardless of whether or not we should have gone into Iraq, cutting and running isn’t a Godly solution. And his supporters are grumpy and combative, too. God’s kindness leads others to repentance, not a 2×4.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Ladies:
Fear not, a passionate debate is a sign of life! This discusion for the most part actually has been very civil. Good men often disagree and contend for even for the faith. Remeber the “council at Jeruselem” in the book of Acts? Here is a thought…..perhaps the Lord has spread our passions so diversely among the body of Christ so that America will get a president that is indeed a true reflection of our Nation?
February 6th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Maureen,
I appreciate your passion and zeal. You’re making a great point that leadership is a critical quality, although perhaps the name calling might be a little beneath us. Everything Porter said about Giuliani is, unfortunately, true, despite how he has been portrayed in the mainstream media.
Your specific points, however, might be best applied to Ron Paul, who has demonstrated excellent leadership in Congress in his 10 terms. In fact, Congressional Quarterly named him one of the 50 most effective members of Congress (which looked at both Senators and members of the House).
Christian Business Daily already pointed out other aspects of his leadership, much of which could be summed up by thinking about this scripture:
“A good man leaves an inheritiance to his children’s children….” (Proverbs 13:22a)
Very few of our elected officials have done any real work to try to leave an inheritance other than insurmountable debt to our children and their children. Lord knows all of the other candidates still in the running this year will, by all appearances (and factoring in their track records), only plan to worsten this tragic situation.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“Lord knows all of the other candidates still in the running this year will, by all appearances (and factoring in their track records), only plan to worsten this tragic situation.”
I choose to speak life over our candidates and our country.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
FYI people, Giuliani is not running.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Kern: thanks for stating the obvious. If you follow the conversation back a little ways, you’ll find that Maureen brought that up earlier. When she did, it sparked some additional discussion.
Maureen: it’s a great idea to speak life over the candidates and the country. It’s an even better idea for us to take action and try to create the conditions that will bring life to it — instead of the slavery that we’re already in — while we’re speaking.
And, for the record, I noticed after posting that I had misspelled the word, “worsen.” Just wanted to set that straight.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Not everyone seems to quite understand yet (despite my previous comment) that to leave a comment you need to come back to today’s post in your web browser and type it into the “Leave a Reply” box.
Here’s one such person’s comment. (Shannon, I didn’t want your thoughts to not be included, so I took the liberty of putting them in as a comment for you.)
February 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Shannon,
You said:
You might want to reread the reasons we stated for endorsing Dr. Paul. Economics play a critical part in our endorsement since, as Winston already noted, we are clearly accountable for the sort of inheritance that we leave to the next generation.
We also clearly pointed out, however, the ethics and integrity that Congressman Paul has demonstrated while serving in Congress. We also noted his strong Pro-Life position, and pointed to his record of working to protect freedoms and promote policies that are, “…most closely aligned with what we believe to be the Biblical positions.”
You and Claudia would do well to research legislation sponsored by Dr. Paul. It goes without saying that the mainstream media will not show it to you themselves. Among the numerous pieces of legislation he has introduced, you will find bills related to the sanctity of life and numerous efforts to counteract the unethical behavior of many of his peers.
We do call ourselves Christians. Your response, which was to attack the validity of our Christian faith when we presented a position that challenged your thinking, represents exactly the brand of ignorant behavior within Christian circles that we hope to eradicate. My use of the term “ignorant” is not intended as a personal affront — ignorance can be cured through education, which is central to the reason that our website exists. Educating the Body was intended (in this instance) to counter the misinformation and sleepy apathy created by our addiction to the entertainment-oriented “news” products served up by Fox News, CNN and the like.
Finally, Shannon, we appreciate your reference to the words of Jesus, “What does it profit a man if he should gain the whole world, yet lose his very soul?”. We believe that the soul of our nation has been lost — or will be lost if we do nothing — due to the Church abdicating its influential role in society and in culture. We are asking questions like:
What does it profit a nation if the Christians fail to lead?
What does it profit the Body of Christ to buy into the lie of pious poverty while ungodly persons own and control the levers that move an entire culture?
If the ‘borrower is servant to the lender’ then to whom is our nation enslaved — both as individual families and corporately as a nation?
These are the types of questions that drive us to do what we do. We hope to issue the challenge to you and others like you to ask yourselves the same types of questions.
Then, as we “chew the carpet,” (as our friend from New Zealand urged us to do in his comment) we can hopefully hear from Heaven about what must be done.
There remains no doubt, though: something must be done.
February 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
That is a compelling argument indeed! I actually believe he is correct in his debate description of our economic situation. But what about his foreign policy statements? And his close association with Dennis Kucinich and the so called 9/11 truthers? I understand we are in a sad state of affairs as far as finances, but what are we to do? forget the murderers that are trying to break into our home as we ballance our checkbook? Pretending we don’t have an enemy will not fix our problem.
February 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Mark:
Ron Paul is for a strong national DEFENSE. But he is against the notion of US Imperialism or the arrogance that we should try to force our way of life on others.
He was for going after Bin Laden from the beginning, in a Constitutional way. He was totally against the unnecessary invasion of Iraq which was sold on lies and deceptions. It has accelerated the bankruptcy of America, tarnished our reputation in the world, resulted in 3,000 US deaths, 30,000+ maimings, and oh, yes, over 1,000,000 innocent Iraqi lives. But maybe Christians should be unconcerned about the killing of innocents. Nice Christian witness.
Porter
February 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
For those who believe Demos are going to end Iraq occupation, think again they keep funding the mistake.
Second, for Christians who do support Iraq occupation, two questions.
How do we afford it when we have to borrow from places like China? Is it OK to steal from our grandchildren to pay for gov waste now?
Why are we in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders, and were is Osama in Iraq?
Why do we fund and supply weapons to places like Saudi, Palestine, Pakistan, etc… in our foreign policies?
February 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Yes, and what does it profit a country whose man has sworn to uphold the Consitution goes and does contrariwise. What Christian would vote for that guy?
Every last person running is a criminal and should be hung for treason — if we were to follow the Constitution rightly. But Ron Paul has NOT violated his oath, and he’s got TEN (COUNT’EM), TEN congressional terms to prove it. A person’s actual track record used to amount to something. Today’s platitudes and misconfiguration of scripture is selling our country down the drain which originally gave us the freedom of religion.
I too must say that for ignorance there is a cure, but stupidity is a terminal condition. Most of the poeple in our country aren’t interested in eating right and doing the proper exercise, and I can tell you something else. Our religion is just as trashed.
A wise man would never have to think twice who to vote for seeing there is actually only ONE MAN running who can prove what he’s been talking about who has never violated his oath to the people.
Again, turn your browser to check out the real story: www.ronpaul2008.com/issues
February 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Brothers and sisters in Christ.
I’m really dissapointed in those of you who have made disparaging remarks about Dr. Paul here. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
You parrot the words of those who denounce Dr. Paul, the things that you hear on TV. You clearly have not taken the time to seek the truth, to accept the truth, to know the truth. How sad. Ask yourself…how Christ-like is that?
Dr. Paul is a Christian, and unlike any of his peers, he actually does his best to walk the Christian walk. His Congressional voting record is a testament to his integrity, his personal life his clear testimony as a brother in Christ. He is an honest man amongst the scoundrels. Don’t believe me though. Believe his record. Look it all up.
I have to ask you this…What did the world think of Jesus during his time? What did the respected elders, the government, the establishment of the day have to say about him?
And here you are, calling yourselves Christian. Yet you refuse to listen to the message from the man himself, you neglect to take the time to read, research, and evaluate. You mimic the press, the current administration, the world.
You want to be of the world, and like the world? You go ahead. I’ll take a different path. I’ll take the path of resistance He promised me I would when I swore my life to Him. That’s what a Christian must do.
February 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Lord I pray you will open the eyes of the hearts of those who can’t see your hand on Ron Paul, and on those who can’t seem to understand/relate to his wisdom about why America is falling and falling fast, or take it as a negative. Help them to see this is not about positive outlooks or feeling good.
Paul is like a prophet where his own home town ignored him, calling out with passion, trying to awaken his countrymen to why America needs to repent of it’s ways.
2 Cor. 7:14 comes to mind.
Lord also lead them to understand what is really going on in American foreign policy before they vote.
February 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Well?, Why am I not suprised that the Ron Paul fan club will not give an answer to a legitimate question about his position on foriegn policy. But instead resort to insults and demogogy. To always attack the person asking the question is a play from the Clinton handbook. And Porter your numbers look like they came from Michael Moore.
February 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Ron Paul has received the Most Contributions than any other candidate, Republican or Democrat…. is there something they know that we don’t?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFsxp5qOpM
February 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Well Said, JohnQ! Very well said.
The man who can think for himself IS the fox.
It would be amusing, if it were not so sad, to hear the parotted main stream media spouted like gospel. And some say it doesn’t pay to advertise. I am a Christian worker in India, love the Lord and my own country with all my heart. And I’ve been praying for Ron Paul to run for president since 1991. I pray God is also going to answer my prayers for America that we will have one last chance to save our liberties. That will NOT happen with any other candidate than Ron Paul. He’s got a record to prove it and so do his contestants. They ought to be hung.
www.ronpaul2008.com/issues
Dan
February 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
To Mark:
I got a couple of foreign policy questions for you.
Why do we send money and weapons to Israel’s enemies?
Why does our foreign policies create Saddams and Bin Laden’s?
Why do we not protect our own borders?
February 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Mark:
What question did I leave unanswered about Ron Paul and national defense? Please be specific. First, check the web site mentioned above.
As for Iraqi deaths, Lancet estimated over 650,000 in 2006. The British polling agency, ORB, estimated over 1 million last September. http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78
Another polling firm in Britain released the same number just a week or two ago.
The US government doesn’t think it is necessary to try to keep a count.
Would you find half the number of innocent deaths, say 500,000 acceptable? We’ve destroyed the infrastructure of that suffering and created untold misery.
What number of innocent deaths is acceptable to you and your Christian faith in an invasion that was unprovoked and clearly based on lies?
Porter
February 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Ron Paul is not a “conspiracy theorist”. He was asked in one of the debates if he would denounce his supporters that believe that 911 was perpetrated by our own government. He said he wouldn’t denounce any support, and that he can’t and won’t tell people what they should think about anything. But he did say that HE doesn’t believe the government was behind 911, and that’s all that matters.
The reason he gets labled as a “kook” or a “fringe” candidate, and a conspiracy theorist, is because he is for abolishing the Federal Reserve system and the IRS.
The Federal Reserve system IS a “conspiracy”, and that’s no “theory”. The Constitution give CONGRESS the power to issue and print currency. The Federal Reserve is not a part of Congress, it is NOT a federal entity, it has nothing to do with our governement, it’s never audited by Congress, and it has no reserves.
The fed is a PRIVATELY-OWNED bank, that issues our money and LOANS it to our government WITH INTEREST. The deficit, the national debt, whatever you wanna call it… well, we wouldn’t have one if it weren’t for the Fed. We also wouldn’t have had the Great Depression, the current recession, the economic problems of the 70’s, the housing bubble of today, etc., etc. if it weren’t for the Fed.
How many times in the last decade have you heard this… “The Fed lowered rates again today.”? Thats because the Fed is a “price-fixer”. They have kept interest rates artificially low for so long, that they’ve caused the dollar to crash like it has… gold to rise in value like it has… and they’ve caused and perpetuated and the housing bubble. Ron Paul, like most free market economist, believe that THE MARKET itself should determine interest rates… not economic planners in charge of the Fed. We wouldn’t have inflation at all if it weren’t for the fed printing money out of thin air to cover the short-falls of government. Gold is still worth the same amount as it was 5000 years ago. That’s why the founders said “only gold and silver” should be used as money. We got rid of the gold standard completely in 1971 under Nixon.
The Federal Reserve is NOT a part of our government and never has been. It is owned by a group of wealthy international bankers that have no vested interest in our country. These same people are all members of the Council on Foreign Relations and they have an agenda. Their agenda IS one-world government. I know, I know… “here he goes with the conspiracy crap”. Do some research. Go to the CFR’s own website www.cfr.org and type in the search bar “North American Union” and you’ll find that the CFR supports a “globalist” ideal for our nation, with no borders, and a shared currency between the U.S., Canada and the UK.
Straight from the horses mouth… not from mine.
David Rockefeller, who’s grandfather Nelson Rockefeller help to found the Federal Reserve (and who owns Chase bank, one of the central banks involved in the Federal Reserve system) said this in his own memoirs…
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—-one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
Ever wonder why we support Isreal and yet we send 3 times as much money to the Arab nations? I read in one of Ron Pauls speeches to Congress in 1984 that at that time there were somewhere around 22 wars going on around the globe, and that we were somehow involved in funding all of them. The chilling part is that we were funding BOTH SIDES of most of them. Just like we funded Sadaam at one time… and Osama Bin Laden another. The CFR and the Fed are behind all of this.
People… wake up. This is not the US of A we thought it was. It’s corrupt all the way through. These people don’t meet in dark, smokey rooms to decide how to enslave the American people. It’s not a conspiracy like that. They are all super-wealthy men and corporations, and a one-world government… or at the least, a globalist agenda… benefits all of them. That’s why they push for these ideas. (At the expense of the middle class in America.)
By the way, Romney, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Giuliani, McCain… these are all members of the CFR. In fact, out of 500 top officials in our government over the last 100 years, over half have been members of the CFR. Why do you think the rich keep getting richer, the poor keep getting poorer, our freedoms keep getting taken away, wars never end (if they do we have to start another one), and the value of the dollar keeps dropping? Inflation and war is another form of tax on the middle class. The “silent” tax.
Read this speech from Ron Paul to Congress and you’ll never vote for anyone else. He is the sole voice of reason and integrity in Washington…
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul433.html
Most Americans are asleep.
WAKE UP!!!
WAKE UP!!!
February 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Davy, I don’t know the answer to those questions. But I’m not running for President either. Guy’s you can make all the personal attacks you would like, unfortunatly it does not help your cause, it just reflects poorly on your argument when you resort to doing that rather than dealing with the issues we are facing. I have yet to call into question anyone’s Christianity. Including Mr. Paul’s. It was Mr. Paul in the debate that implied that we brought 9/11 on ourselves and thinks that Iran is not a problem, we just need to leave them alone. I’m not quoting a news agency or someones talking points I’m quoting Mr. Paul. It’s O.K. if you disagree with me when I say that scares me to death! But your not helping your cause to be condecending and evasive.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Bill, you were typing while I was, Gosh you were typing when Jesus was a baby. Brother you have too much time on your hands. God Bless you guys this is where I give up.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
One last thing, I guess we never were ever on the moon either?
February 6th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Mark:
I believe YOU are the one making statements that reflect poorly on YOU. We’ve done our best to lay out facts and ask you for clarification.
In the debate Dr. Paul did point out that Bin Laden, himself, issued his fatwa against the US because we were meddling so much in the Middle East. He didn’t excuse 9-11, but he pointed out their motivation. Bush and his NeoCon handlers want us to think that we were attacked for our western ways and MTV, but it was for our imperialistic ways in the Middle East for most of the 20th, and all of the 21st century so far.
With no credible arguments left, and apparently no desire to really engage in dialogue, I can understand why you are retreating from the field of discussion.
A word of advice: Don’t enter a gunfight with a knife, especially a rubber one!
Porter
February 6th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I figured you didn’t know about USforeign policy, or you would support Paul as you seem to be a good person.
Buy Ron Paul’s book. “A foreign policy of Freedom, Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship.”
You’ll understand more than you do, instead of a distorted soundbyte from a debate.
Just click on my name for link
February 6th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
OK Porter - Is this what it’s all about, being right? Bush is a Christian, I believe he acted in good faith. If he could take back every death, including those who died on 911 he would. Who on this earth is the perfect leader? Stop being a hater. Your arugument hands the radical Islamic Terrorists just the ammo they need to keep on killing.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Mark, did you know that in Iraq now that Saddam is gone, Iraqi Christians are persecuted more than when they lived under Saddam regime. Hard to believe but true.
The Sunni’s and Shites don’t like Christians, and with the pending choas of no law or order there, they persecute Christians worse now.
Please read Paul’s book, don’t remain in the dark, just cause your not running for President.
God wants you to think and learn for yourself. He created you that way.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Maureen asked
“If we eliminate income tax and IRS how would we pay for Social Security?”
Social Security Tax is for Social Security.
Income Tax only goes to pay interest on the 9 trillion national debt (1 billion in growing interest daily.)
Next question I asked? Who is the income tax going to if it is only paying interest on our debt? Who do we owe debt to?
Federal Reserve (Private Bankers ) who print money (counterfeiting) and charge interest on that printed paper.
Wake up People!
February 6th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Maureen:
Actually, its all about Truth. Jesus is kind of quirky about it. He even says that it “will set you free.” He had great condemnation for liars, and those who would deceive the elect.
Whether Bush is a Christian or not, only God knows. But if you still believe he acted in good faith, ie, he didn’t know about the countless lies and distortions used 18 months by him and his administration leading up to the invasion of Iraq, then you haven’t been paying attention to all the revelations since then.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al. kept saying that Saddam was tied in with 9-11 so much that over half the country believe it to this day! You might still be one of those.
My argument only elucidates the truth. The “terrorists” already know the truth. So does most of the world. You appear to still be part of the deceived. Do your research. Blind faith in a leader — other than Christ — is not noble, nor biblical.
Discover the Truth, and it will set you free.
Porter
February 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Maureen
Listen to how Rod Parsley a pastor in OHIO explains debt and federal reserve in this video link.
http://screamfreedom.blogspot.com/2007/12/conquering-spirit-of-debt.html
February 6th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Our arguments do not embolden the terrorists. And even if they did, we supposedly live in a FREE country. I can say whatever I want. If we decide to silence dissenting voices in this country in the name of security, then we are not free.
Ben Franklin said, “Any society that gives up it’s liberty in the name of security, deserves neither… and will lose both.”
Our occupation of their lands, our bases built on their holy grounds, our bombing innocent women and children… that’s what emboldens the terrorists. That is what gives them the means to recruit more people into their terrorist camps. That’s the reason Bin Laden gave for flying planes into our buildings. He said nothing about us being prosperous and free… he said they did it because of our occupations of middle easterrn countries… particularly our military bases built in Saudi Arabia. Did you notice that almost all of the 19 highjackers were Saudi’s???
Not Iraqis. Not Iranians. Not Afghanis. Saudi’s.
I used to think just like some of you on this site. I voted for Bush both times. I had no clue… I was just listening to republican rhetoric. Do you know why things never change in this country? Because the republicans and the democrats are pretty much the same. Rich elites. Corporatists. Globalists.
Why do they scare us continously about terrorists… and they leave the border WIDE OPEN. They’ve done NOTHING to stop people from coming into this country illegally. Bush’s immigration bill included amnesty for illegals. Why? They make him more money.
I’m not trying to insult anyone’s intelligence. I’m not putting forth personal attacks here. I used to be blinded myself. I used to watch nothing but Fox News. Did you know that Rupert Murdock is also a member of the CFR? And so are most of the owners of all the major media outlets. War, global economies… it all benefits them.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Huckabee said he wants to change the U.S. Constitution to reflect “God’s Word”. I’m a Christian myself, but I do NOT want to live in a theocracy. There is a reason why the all the founding U.S. documents talk about our nation being founded “under God”… EXCEPT THE CONSTITUTION. The constitution never says the word, “God”. That’s because it is our basis for government and we have separation of church and state. We are still primarily a Christian nation, but the Constitution is very specific about religion…
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So… if you want the 10 Commandments in the courthouse, and you’re the acting judge… then go ahead. And Congress can’t do anything to stop it. All the laws against prayer in schools… unconstitutional. A law requiring prayer in school? Unconstitutional. It says it pretty plainly… NO LAW shall be passed regarding religion.
February 6th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I could go on and on. And usually do.
Are any of you really worried about terrorists?
Do you know anyone who has been killed by terrorists?
Do you know anyone who has died in a car accident?
Now, if I lived in a high-rise building in NYC… I might be SLIGHTLY concerned about terrorism. But I don’t. And I don’t worry about it at all.
I DO worry about our spending $1 trillion dollars a year of OUR MONEY on this agenda. On war. On needless, un-Christianlike war.
3000 people died on 911. More than that many soldiers have died since then in Iraq.
Sadaam killed around 300,000 Iraqi’s during his time in power… over decades. We’ve killed around 300,000 innocent Iraqi’s ourselves… in less than a decade.
We’re builing bases the size of the Vatican in Iraq. 7 new airforce bases. And yet, we’re hurting economically… we’re in a recession.
Did you know that now that all our manufacturing jobs have gone overseas, 83% of our manufacturing left in the U.S. is for the military. In other words, if we don’t continue to support the “military-industrial complex”, our economy will go down the tubes faster than it already is.
Have you noticed that since the Federal Reserve was fouded in 1913, that we’ve been at war with someone ever since?
February 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
If they don’t keep us scare of terrorists… we won’t continue to back the war… and they won’t keep making GOBS of money.
And the war in Iraq? Planned before 911. Has nothing to do with terrorism. No wmds either.
Iraq… and Iran (they’re next)… are 2 of the 3 nations in the world that refuse to denominate their oil in dollars. That’s why we’re there.
Period.
I’m done. Bye.
Hey… what happened to all the rebuttals?? Did the non-Paul supporters run out of things to say?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I have a correction so I’m reposting.
Ron Paul received more contributions from the MILITARY than any other candidate, Republican or Democrat…. is there something they know that we don’t?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiFsxp5qOpM
February 6th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Hey Bill http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2008/02/04/christianbusinessdailycom-endorses-ron-paul-for-president/#comment-17740
THANKS for that. Now if we can just get a few people on this llist to really check it out, we’ll change a few things in our country. However, do not dispair. I just found out that every one of my family voted for Ron Paul. You would never understand how mind blowing that is until you learn that my ex-wife and her family is amongst them and she KNEW that was my position from many, many years ago. I have been so badly denounced by EVERY member of my family that to see them ALL vindicate me today is a blessing. So, I’m telling you … IF MY FAMILY can get it straight after years of blindness, then there is hope for absolutely everyone else. Now if only they would all become Christians!