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	<description>Michael Pink</description>
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		<title>By: Michael B.</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2008/04/07/church-shift-happening-now/#comment-21018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!

I have listened to every teaching series that Michael Pink has put out.  I have done this because God has called me to the ministry - in business.   I bring Kingdom principles through my business affecting the lives of people in a redemptive fashion.  God pays for what he orders.  If your calling in life requires billions of dollars and your calling is building His Kingdom, then God will supply.  If you are hoping to use God as a heavenly slot machine then you are deceived.  That is NOT what Michael Pink is doing, saying or writing.

With regards to most of Michael's post, my wife and I have been attending the History Makers Bible School put on by Ukranian missionaries to the United States.  We have spent 100+ hours face to face with Pastor Sunday and dozens of people from the church in Kiev.  Their testimony of what God has done is undeniable.  Pastor Sunday's clear message is "Christ in us.."  Jesus told us to pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven".  When we KNOW Jesus and understand that we are to seek first His Kingdom and rightousness, then He will live through us to establish His Kingdom principles which will disciple the nations.  Read Pastor Sunday's book, Churchshift, and you will see this isn't about "the prosperity message" or church growth.  It is about sending forth the SONS OF THE KINGDOM into the world to be used by Him to redeem those that would be saved.  Read Mathew 13:23-43 paying particular attention to verse 38.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!</p>
<p>I have listened to every teaching series that Michael Pink has put out.  I have done this because God has called me to the ministry - in business.   I bring Kingdom principles through my business affecting the lives of people in a redemptive fashion.  God pays for what he orders.  If your calling in life requires billions of dollars and your calling is building His Kingdom, then God will supply.  If you are hoping to use God as a heavenly slot machine then you are deceived.  That is NOT what Michael Pink is doing, saying or writing.</p>
<p>With regards to most of Michael&#8217;s post, my wife and I have been attending the History Makers Bible School put on by Ukranian missionaries to the United States.  We have spent 100+ hours face to face with Pastor Sunday and dozens of people from the church in Kiev.  Their testimony of what God has done is undeniable.  Pastor Sunday&#8217;s clear message is &#8220;Christ in us..&#8221;  Jesus told us to pray &#8220;Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven&#8221;.  When we KNOW Jesus and understand that we are to seek first His Kingdom and rightousness, then He will live through us to establish His Kingdom principles which will disciple the nations.  Read Pastor Sunday&#8217;s book, Churchshift, and you will see this isn&#8217;t about &#8220;the prosperity message&#8221; or church growth.  It is about sending forth the SONS OF THE KINGDOM into the world to be used by Him to redeem those that would be saved.  Read Mathew 13:23-43 paying particular attention to verse 38.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kern,
Thank you for saying exactly what has been on my mind for weeks regarding this prosperity teaching.  I guess it's possible that I don't see the whole picture that Michael Pink is trying to relay with this Rainforest teaching, it just seems way too similar to the health 'n wealth gospel.  

I am greatly concerned that the church today has confused "happiness with holiness".  As you so aptly stated "I’m not saying that all prosperity is necessarily wrong. I’m just making the point that the prosperity of a Christian says absolutely zero about Christ to the world".....I know we need to be so careful to preach holiness, if God brings prosperity, we need to pray even harder for God to conform us to the image of Christ.

God is most glorified in me when I am most satisfied in Him.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kern,<br />
Thank you for saying exactly what has been on my mind for weeks regarding this prosperity teaching.  I guess it&#8217;s possible that I don&#8217;t see the whole picture that Michael Pink is trying to relay with this Rainforest teaching, it just seems way too similar to the health &#8216;n wealth gospel.  </p>
<p>I am greatly concerned that the church today has confused &#8220;happiness with holiness&#8221;.  As you so aptly stated &#8220;I’m not saying that all prosperity is necessarily wrong. I’m just making the point that the prosperity of a Christian says absolutely zero about Christ to the world&#8221;&#8230;..I know we need to be so careful to preach holiness, if God brings prosperity, we need to pray even harder for God to conform us to the image of Christ.</p>
<p>God is most glorified in me when I am most satisfied in Him&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Emerson</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2008/04/07/church-shift-happening-now/#comment-20992</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely must take issue with the comments here by Kern.  First of all, Kern, you managed to have written 3x as much as the author of this blog post.  It seems that he is quite gracious to continue to allow you to post, just given the sheer volume of words you use.  (915 so far in your comments, as compared to 290 in the original blog post).

This is to say nothing of the fact that one of your posts advises other readers to "Run as fast as you can away."  This is hardly polite.  I'm not even going to comment on the fact that you typed (mistyped?) that post while attempting to drive.

The bigger issue to me, however, is that you fundamentally misunderstand.  Your religious brainwashing has trapped you in a mental darkness that, for whatever reason, no light seems to be able to penetrate. This is not intended as a personal affront to you.  It is merely an observation.  

As I read Michael's post for today, he says nothing of a prosperity gospel at all.  Michael is merely pointing out that the Body of Christ is raising up well-equipped persons who have tools at their disposal which are precisely the sort of tools necessary to function in the earth.  In other words, when I need a carpenter, I want one who not only has a hammer, but also a table saw and any other specialized equipment that will cause him to be effective in his task.  To fulfill the Great Commission in Matthew 28, which can be summarized by saying we are here to disciple nations, we need not just people who are -- as you pointed out -- sold out to Christ, but who also possess the tools necessary to be effective.

Personal evangelism and one-on-one ministry is good.  But the Body of Christ has focused on the "good" and sacrificed the "critical."  Discipling nations will not occur when we have taken the hard-won authority that Jesus purchased for the Church and neglected it so badly that people of evil intent now pull the levers of society.

The early Church was referred to as, "those who have turned the world upside down."  People who developed the "leave the Earth to whoever wants it" / "poverty = piety" belief that you espouse have turned the Church upside down instead of the world.

Another perception you seem to hold is that Michael is promoting the idea that we should be wealthy to "impress the world."  I didn't read that at all.  My understanding of what he is saying is that we must have significant resources and make wise use of them in order to regain lost ground and recapture the levers that influence culture.

I would add that the "American trend" of moving up financially (one which, by the way, I would argue hardly exists at all in today's economy, given the extent of consumer debt, the negative savings rate, and the overwhelming national debt) is American only in the sense that moving up financially is the automatic result of diligence, hard work, creating value, Biblical ethics, and God-given insight -- the very traits that characterized the formative years of this nation.  Why did America rise to prominence in the world?  Godliness.  Why have we lost it?  The Church abdicated nearly all positions of influence and power, leaving the nation to rot and decay -- not just morally but economically as well.  This, I would argue, is exactly the sort of Godliness that Jesus was referring to when he said, "It would be more profitable for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were hurled into the sea than that he should cause to sin or be a snare to one of these little ones [lowly in rank or influence]." (Luke 17:2)

Following your line of reasoning will, unfortunately, continue that very trend.  Sickening.  May God deliver us from unscriptural religious indoctrination!

Carl Emerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely must take issue with the comments here by Kern.  First of all, Kern, you managed to have written 3x as much as the author of this blog post.  It seems that he is quite gracious to continue to allow you to post, just given the sheer volume of words you use.  (915 so far in your comments, as compared to 290 in the original blog post).</p>
<p>This is to say nothing of the fact that one of your posts advises other readers to &#8220;Run as fast as you can away.&#8221;  This is hardly polite.  I&#8217;m not even going to comment on the fact that you typed (mistyped?) that post while attempting to drive.</p>
<p>The bigger issue to me, however, is that you fundamentally misunderstand.  Your religious brainwashing has trapped you in a mental darkness that, for whatever reason, no light seems to be able to penetrate. This is not intended as a personal affront to you.  It is merely an observation.  </p>
<p>As I read Michael&#8217;s post for today, he says nothing of a prosperity gospel at all.  Michael is merely pointing out that the Body of Christ is raising up well-equipped persons who have tools at their disposal which are precisely the sort of tools necessary to function in the earth.  In other words, when I need a carpenter, I want one who not only has a hammer, but also a table saw and any other specialized equipment that will cause him to be effective in his task.  To fulfill the Great Commission in Matthew 28, which can be summarized by saying we are here to disciple nations, we need not just people who are &#8212; as you pointed out &#8212; sold out to Christ, but who also possess the tools necessary to be effective.</p>
<p>Personal evangelism and one-on-one ministry is good.  But the Body of Christ has focused on the &#8220;good&#8221; and sacrificed the &#8220;critical.&#8221;  Discipling nations will not occur when we have taken the hard-won authority that Jesus purchased for the Church and neglected it so badly that people of evil intent now pull the levers of society.</p>
<p>The early Church was referred to as, &#8220;those who have turned the world upside down.&#8221;  People who developed the &#8220;leave the Earth to whoever wants it&#8221; / &#8220;poverty = piety&#8221; belief that you espouse have turned the Church upside down instead of the world.</p>
<p>Another perception you seem to hold is that Michael is promoting the idea that we should be wealthy to &#8220;impress the world.&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t read that at all.  My understanding of what he is saying is that we must have significant resources and make wise use of them in order to regain lost ground and recapture the levers that influence culture.</p>
<p>I would add that the &#8220;American trend&#8221; of moving up financially (one which, by the way, I would argue hardly exists at all in today&#8217;s economy, given the extent of consumer debt, the negative savings rate, and the overwhelming national debt) is American only in the sense that moving up financially is the automatic result of diligence, hard work, creating value, Biblical ethics, and God-given insight &#8212; the very traits that characterized the formative years of this nation.  Why did America rise to prominence in the world?  Godliness.  Why have we lost it?  The Church abdicated nearly all positions of influence and power, leaving the nation to rot and decay &#8212; not just morally but economically as well.  This, I would argue, is exactly the sort of Godliness that Jesus was referring to when he said, &#8220;It would be more profitable for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were hurled into the sea than that he should cause to sin or be a snare to one of these little ones [lowly in rank or influence].&#8221; (Luke 17:2)</p>
<p>Following your line of reasoning will, unfortunately, continue that very trend.  Sickening.  May God deliver us from unscriptural religious indoctrination!</p>
<p>Carl Emerson</p>
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		<title>By: Kern</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2008/04/07/church-shift-happening-now/#comment-20989</link>
		<dc:creator>Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny,  make a plan to get out of debt.  Stop using debt.  Get on a budget and dedicate it to the Lord.  It will not be easy but remember all things are possible with God.  Man makes the plans but God directs our steps.  Contact your church and find someone that will hold you accountable.  Contact Crown Financial Ministries for a budget counselor.  www.crown.org.  Great Christian group use to be run by Larry Burkett.  Search the scriptures on what God says about money.  Resolve to obey it, even when it will hurt.  Most of all pray for God's mercy and grace.  

Kern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny,  make a plan to get out of debt.  Stop using debt.  Get on a budget and dedicate it to the Lord.  It will not be easy but remember all things are possible with God.  Man makes the plans but God directs our steps.  Contact your church and find someone that will hold you accountable.  Contact Crown Financial Ministries for a budget counselor.  <a href="http://www.crown.org.">www.crown.org.</a>  Great Christian group use to be run by Larry Burkett.  Search the scriptures on what God says about money.  Resolve to obey it, even when it will hurt.  Most of all pray for God&#8217;s mercy and grace.  </p>
<p>Kern</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny,

Your post moved me. I understand what you are saying. I feel your heart. Let me encourage you with this: His light shines best in the darkness. It's okay that you don't have it all together... In Genesis, when God looked at what He had created He said it was "good". He wasn't done creating the world and all the animals or even the people... He had just gotten started and it wasn't done, but still it was GOOD to Him. He has only just begun His work in you. He sees you and He says you are good! It's okay. Don't give up. Don't doubt your faith. Doubt your doubts! God has a way of turning a mess into something beautiful that affects MANY people... he will turn your mess into a "message" of hope for other people. Just don't give up. Let Him carry you through this. He can handle your situation.

Take care,
Rebecca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny,</p>
<p>Your post moved me. I understand what you are saying. I feel your heart. Let me encourage you with this: His light shines best in the darkness. It&#8217;s okay that you don&#8217;t have it all together&#8230; In Genesis, when God looked at what He had created He said it was &#8220;good&#8221;. He wasn&#8217;t done creating the world and all the animals or even the people&#8230; He had just gotten started and it wasn&#8217;t done, but still it was GOOD to Him. He has only just begun His work in you. He sees you and He says you are good! It&#8217;s okay. Don&#8217;t give up. Don&#8217;t doubt your faith. Doubt your doubts! God has a way of turning a mess into something beautiful that affects MANY people&#8230; he will turn your mess into a &#8220;message&#8221; of hope for other people. Just don&#8217;t give up. Let Him carry you through this. He can handle your situation.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Rebecca</p>
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		<title>By: Kern</title>
		<link>http://www.sellingamongwolves.com/blog/2008/04/07/church-shift-happening-now/#comment-20983</link>
		<dc:creator>Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about Christians that makes them the salt of the earth and the light of the world? It is not wealth. The desire for wealth and the pursuit of wealth tastes and looks just like the world. It does not offer the world anything different from what it already believes in. The great tragedy of prosperity-preaching is that a person does not have to be spiritually awakened in order to embrace it; one needs only to be greedy. Getting rich in the name of Jesus is not the salt of the earth or the light of the world. In this, the world simply sees a reflection of itself. And if it works, they will buy it.

The context of Jesus’ saying shows us what the salt and light are. They are the joyful willingness to suffering for Christ. Here is what Jesus said, “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth. . . . You are the light of the world” (Matthew 5:11-14).

What will make the world taste (the salt) and see (the light) of Christ in us is not that we love wealth the same way they do. Rather, it will be the willingness and the ability of Christians to love others through suffering, all the while rejoicing because their reward is in heaven with Jesus. This is inexplicable on human terms. This is supernatural. But to attract people with promises of prosperity is simply natural. It is not the message of Jesus. It is not what he died to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about Christians that makes them the salt of the earth and the light of the world? It is not wealth. The desire for wealth and the pursuit of wealth tastes and looks just like the world. It does not offer the world anything different from what it already believes in. The great tragedy of prosperity-preaching is that a person does not have to be spiritually awakened in order to embrace it; one needs only to be greedy. Getting rich in the name of Jesus is not the salt of the earth or the light of the world. In this, the world simply sees a reflection of itself. And if it works, they will buy it.</p>
<p>The context of Jesus’ saying shows us what the salt and light are. They are the joyful willingness to suffering for Christ. Here is what Jesus said, “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth. . . . You are the light of the world” (Matthew 5:11-14).</p>
<p>What will make the world taste (the salt) and see (the light) of Christ in us is not that we love wealth the same way they do. Rather, it will be the willingness and the ability of Christians to love others through suffering, all the while rejoicing because their reward is in heaven with Jesus. This is inexplicable on human terms. This is supernatural. But to attract people with promises of prosperity is simply natural. It is not the message of Jesus. It is not what he died to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak from my experience. God provides liberally to me when I have died to my own ways of doing things. Not always monetarily though. And to be quite honest, at this point in time in time I feel as though I am on a sinking ship financially speaking. I have never been further in debt in my life and I don't have a clue how to get out of it. Everything that I attempt to do turns out wrong and digs the hole deeper. However I seem to see a little hope everytime that I excercise my spiritial gifts. Money and debt seem to be at the root of all my problems but somehow they seem to be the thing that makes me rely on Jesus. Is it possible to have something that seperates you from Christ just as much as it makes you rely on him. I am at the end of myself and I am not sure if I can do this anymore. Pray for me and give me any advice that you can.

Kenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak from my experience. God provides liberally to me when I have died to my own ways of doing things. Not always monetarily though. And to be quite honest, at this point in time in time I feel as though I am on a sinking ship financially speaking. I have never been further in debt in my life and I don&#8217;t have a clue how to get out of it. Everything that I attempt to do turns out wrong and digs the hole deeper. However I seem to see a little hope everytime that I excercise my spiritial gifts. Money and debt seem to be at the root of all my problems but somehow they seem to be the thing that makes me rely on Jesus. Is it possible to have something that seperates you from Christ just as much as it makes you rely on him. I am at the end of myself and I am not sure if I can do this anymore. Pray for me and give me any advice that you can.</p>
<p>Kenny</p>
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		<title>By: Kern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon.  I was trying to type and drive.  The prosperity gospel is a false gospel.  You need to find a church that teaches what the bible says.  I would recommend a book by Randy Alcorn, it is Money, Possessions and Eternity.  

Kern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon.  I was trying to type and drive.  The prosperity gospel is a false gospel.  You need to find a church that teaches what the bible says.  I would recommend a book by Randy Alcorn, it is Money, Possessions and Eternity.  </p>
<p>Kern</p>
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		<title>By: ern.Pegues</title>
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		<dc:creator>ern.Pegues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>un as faat u can away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>un as faat u can away.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I am a little more than a lot confused about this whole "prosperity" thing that is taking over churches, coast to coast.... I do understand that it gives the Lord pleasure to see His servants prosper. He delights in His servant’s prosperity… I get that, really I do. I go to a church where we believe in prosperity. My pastor says he was called to 2 lanes, miracles and prosperity. All he talks about is prosperity, though. I understand the church needs to make a budget in order to survive… but my thought is, if we seek the Kingdom FIRST all the rest will naturally be added to us. The Kingdom is, miracles, healings, raising the dead, deliverance, restoration… etc. I have grown to almost despise the whole prosperity message. I’m sick of it….. sick of everyone talking about money and getting wealthy in church. YES, I agree we need to get out of the poverty mentality, but we also soooo totally have to stop seeking first money and start seeking first His Kingdom. If there was a church that really put His Kingdom FIRST you wouldn’t be able to stop the church from growing and you wouldn’t be able to stop the people from giving. WHY? Because it is Kingdom nature to give! God the Father is a giver… He is the biggest giver ever! He gave His own Son. And, as the church members take on God’s nature and grow in intimacy with Him and learn and experience His Kingdom they will naturally become givers. 

I come on here every day and read your blog. I do like what you have to say… but I have to admit I am perplexed with the “prosperity” message the church has adopted. I don’t know what to do with myself…….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I am a little more than a lot confused about this whole &#8220;prosperity&#8221; thing that is taking over churches, coast to coast&#8230;. I do understand that it gives the Lord pleasure to see His servants prosper. He delights in His servant’s prosperity… I get that, really I do. I go to a church where we believe in prosperity. My pastor says he was called to 2 lanes, miracles and prosperity. All he talks about is prosperity, though. I understand the church needs to make a budget in order to survive… but my thought is, if we seek the Kingdom FIRST all the rest will naturally be added to us. The Kingdom is, miracles, healings, raising the dead, deliverance, restoration… etc. I have grown to almost despise the whole prosperity message. I’m sick of it….. sick of everyone talking about money and getting wealthy in church. YES, I agree we need to get out of the poverty mentality, but we also soooo totally have to stop seeking first money and start seeking first His Kingdom. If there was a church that really put His Kingdom FIRST you wouldn’t be able to stop the church from growing and you wouldn’t be able to stop the people from giving. WHY? Because it is Kingdom nature to give! God the Father is a giver… He is the biggest giver ever! He gave His own Son. And, as the church members take on God’s nature and grow in intimacy with Him and learn and experience His Kingdom they will naturally become givers. </p>
<p>I come on here every day and read your blog. I do like what you have to say… but I have to admit I am perplexed with the “prosperity” message the church has adopted. I don’t know what to do with myself…….</p>
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